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so new tonight

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sources tell cnn that an upcoming

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government report says u.s intelligence

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officials

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have found no evidence confirming ufos

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that were seen by u.s navy pilots in

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recent years

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were in fact alien spacecraft but that

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report

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making no definitive assessment as to

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what the objects might actually

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be are there now even more questions

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about what's flying in our skies

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here to discuss luis elizondo former

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director of the pentagon's advanced

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aerospace threat identification program

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that was the right person

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for this conversation welcome to the

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show i'm glad that you're here

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luis you know thank you so much for

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having me thank you and tourists are

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telling cnn that the upcoming

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defense department report does not

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actually determine

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what these unidentified flying objects

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actually

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are it doesn't say it doesn't say that

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they are alien spacecraft but it doesn't

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say that they're not

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doesn't rule it out it's going to add

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some fuel to the debate that's already

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going on isn't it

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well indeed it is you know the the us

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government has already stated now for

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the record

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according to some of these inside

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sources that this is definitely not

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some sort of secret u.s technology so so

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that argument now is finally

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uh for many for many decades now is

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finally off the table so that really

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only leaves

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two options doesn't it and that is one

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it's some sort of foreign technology

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that has somehow managed to leapfrog us

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or it's something completely and totally

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different and i think it's important

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that when we look at this we also look

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at the context of the us government's

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involvement in this topic

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historically and so there is truly

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documentation now

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that is coming forward some of my team

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members have have been able to uncover

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through the foia process

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and that also by the way has been

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available for quite some time that

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demonstrates that the us government has

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actually indeed been dealing with this

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issue for over 70 years

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and that's a little bit problematic

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because if we say this is foreign

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adversarial technology

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we know that the russians after the

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berlin wall came down

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had shared a lot of their ufo files with

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us and so we know they had the same

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problem we did

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furthermore if that leaves let's say a

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country like china

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that would then in essence we would have

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to consider the fact that

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china or another country now has had

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some sort of

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beyond next generation technology for

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the last 70 years

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and as we know that's a really hard

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secret to keep and furthermore that

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these technologies have been deployed

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over controlled u.s airspace so i think

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you're right there's a lot more

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questions now

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we have to ask ourselves and let's be

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clear too that the report

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did not say this wasn't some sort of

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alien type or extraterrestrial

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technology it simply said

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it could not rule it out and i think

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that's that's an important caveat

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i want to go to that data you're talking

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about about that history to give people

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the context you're speaking of because

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you actually did share new declassified

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reports with our team and they detail

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they detail intelligence on ufos

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resembling

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something like a tic tac going all the

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way back to 1947. you had a cia report

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from 1953

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says swedish airline pilots encountered

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silver or white flying lozenge

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traveling at high speeds you got an an

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fbi report

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from 1964 that details a ufo they

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typically like a butane tank

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and then some navy pilots say they have

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seen something like a flying tic tac

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in recent years as well so i mean what

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do you think of this pattern the similar

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characteristics over time

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what's your thought well first of all

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thank you for doing your homework

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i think a lot of media has been lazy

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about this topic and

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i also want to want to thank you for

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your courage for reporting this topic i

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do know that there's

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still some stigma and taboo associated

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with it i think the fact that you have

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pilots separated by decades if not

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generations

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reporting the same type of observations

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uh describing the same what is essence

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the same object a 40 foot long whether

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it's a

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white flying butane tank or a white

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flying tic tac or a white flying lozenge

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at the end of the day they're describing

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the same thing they're just describing

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it from the context

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of of the generation that they're

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growing up in so we're definitely i

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think it's it's safe to presume that

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we're seeing the same objects in the sky

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time and time and time again and and

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obviously that's that's

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a concern because if the argument is

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that there is some sort of foreign

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technology that has

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somehow mastered this and is a thousand

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years ahead of the united states and oh

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by the way has been demonstrating this

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technology

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for the last 70 years

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i think we've got bigger problems on our

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hands well speaking of that i mean

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because of the pattern because of the

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overtime you're talking about i mean if

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we don't have an answer soon

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on what exactly these flying phenomena

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are is is that a failure for our

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national security

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well it is certainly a it would be a a

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it would be a failure an intelligence

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failure that would eclipse 911

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by orders of magnitude if it turns out

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that this is some sort of foreign

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adversarial technology but i think

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it's important we have to keep all

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options on the table there's a lot of

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information right now that suggests

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it's not and i know as as hard as that

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to to digest for some people as an

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intelligence officer it is important

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that we

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we we approach this topic objectively we

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have to really try to keep our emotions

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uh there's a lot of preconceived

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narratives we as americans have

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about this topic part of that is because

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of the socialization of this topic over

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really keep an open mind keep all

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options on the table and if it turns out

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if it turns out that this technology is

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for an adversarial well then we need to

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prepare to have that conversation as

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does that

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does there need to be a whole of

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government approach to figure out what

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these things are i mean especially

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if they could be intelligence gathering

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is whole of government approach the

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right way to go

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right well look from a from a department

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of defense perspective and an

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intelligence perspective our government

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should be looking at this from a

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national security perspective but

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there's a whole lot of other

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if you will facets to this to this issue

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and i do think we need a whole of

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government approach i think we need to

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have the faa and nasa

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and noaa i think we need to have also

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our our academic institutions and our

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scientific community

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all involved in this and then maybe we

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can start finding some answers i

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i don't think it is the purview of our

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national security apparatus to

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to give us answers on things that aren't

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necessarily national security related

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frankly i

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i don't want my government telling me

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what i should think about something i

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want my government

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to provide the facts and then then allow

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us as as the people to

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to make our own determination on on what

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this means ultimately this is a topic

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that

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impacts everybody equally and yet

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differently depending on

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on perhaps our the way we were raised

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and some of our philosophical and

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theological views so

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i do think a whole of government frankly

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maybe a whole a society conversation

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about this

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luis elizondo thank you for your time i

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appreciate it so much well stay tuned